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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 8:00am

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 9:03am

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 11:18am

Originally posted by The Dayman

Robertson's Ham Sandwich

Blueberry pancakes at the Diner

a Meer's burger

All good "must-dos" guys...also need other experiences (float the Illinois is a goodun)--like:

Go to WoodyFest in Okemah

Take your picture in front of the Round Barn in Arcadia

Go to the livestock sale in Beaver

Road trip on the Talihina? (Talimina?--what's the name of the road where JFK visited?)

Scope out the Prairie Parthenon near Mocane

I need some stuff SE and SW--around Altus or Ft. Sill and Little Dixie

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 11:21am

Here's another one i just thought of:

visit Custer's Next-to-Last Stand (what's the name of that monument near Cheyenne???)

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 11:40am

Visit the Center of the Universe in Tulsa

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 11:50am

Originally posted by da_greek_poke

Visit the Center of the Universe in Tulsa

greek--now that's a funny right? Or am I missing something?!

Also--where was it near Tahlequah that Sam Houston hung out with the Cherokees before he liberated Texas?? Also--can you still see the dents in the shed behind Mickey Mantle's house (isn't that in Commerce?)

Oh oh oh!! And everybody's got to visit the Dog Iron Ranch!!!!

Is the Blue Whale still at Verdigris? What about that huge Cowboy statue almost as big as Big Tex somewhere up around Tulsa (Grove maybe??)

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 12:39pm

Originally posted by ColonelTravis

Originally posted by Carl_Spackler

Originally posted by ColonelTravis

Originally posted by TheFranchise17

Your Welcome everyone, finally calling out Travis' colon or colonel travis

Calling out? I've paid my time in Blacklist Hell--I'm sure I'll be there a few more times before I kick the bucket!!!!

Incidentally--I'm working on a story right now called the Bucket List for Oklahoma...

any ideas? ie--what are the 50 things every Oklahoman should do before they "kick the bucket?"

For instance--

1. Watch the sun set over Black Mesa

2. Two step at Cains

3. Eat cheesy fries at Joes

............

Homer pick.

OK--see game at Owen Field and visit Switzer Center

Play round of golf at Jimmie Austin (best public course in the state)

there's lots to do--may have to up it from 50 to 103 (years of statehood)

sorry, jimmie austin is not as good as karsten creek. played both, kc is freaking awesome. just as good as oak tree national (before otn re-did everything) imo. kc costs too much to play now

jimmie austin also raised their rates

james a. should be poy, but collins will get lots of votes due to ku being so strong

-agree with talimina drive-awesome

- agree with meers burger, also get the banana pudding

-eat at Catfish Platter (outside of madill and kinston on hwy 99, 1 mile north of texas border) best catfish i have ever had. family run.

-fish any lake at sunrise or sunset. being out in the middle of the water at that time is awesome.

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 12:45pm

I'd also say see Beaver's Bend in Broken Bow

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 12:51pm

Originally posted by snowman

Originally posted by ColonelTravis

Originally posted by Carl_Spackler

Originally posted by ColonelTravis

Originally posted by TheFranchise17

Your Welcome everyone, finally calling out Travis' colon or colonel travis

Calling out? I've paid my time in Blacklist Hell--I'm sure I'll be there a few more times before I kick the bucket!!!!

Incidentally--I'm working on a story right now called the Bucket List for Oklahoma...

any ideas? ie--what are the 50 things every Oklahoman should do before they "kick the bucket?"

For instance--

1. Watch the sun set over Black Mesa

2. Two step at Cains

3. Eat cheesy fries at Joes

............

Homer pick.

OK--see game at Owen Field and visit Switzer Center

Play round of golf at Jimmie Austin (best public course in the state)

there's lots to do--may have to up it from 50 to 103 (years of statehood)

sorry, jimmie austin is not as good as karsten creek. played both, kc is freaking awesome. just as good as oak tree national (before otn re-did everything) imo. kc costs too much to play now

jimmie austin also raised their rates

james a. should be poy, but collins will get lots of votes due to ku being so strong

-agree with talimina drive-awesome

- agree with meers burger, also get the banana pudding

-eat at Catfish Platter (outside of madill and kinston on hwy 99, 1 mile north of texas border) best catfish i have ever had. family run.

-fish any lake at sunrise or sunset. being out in the middle of the water at that time is awesome.

Snow--

I'm an OSU guy and agree to a certain extent that Karsten is "better" than Jimmie Austin. However--at Karsten they could care less if anybody besides the players ever played it again. That's a training ground for the best D1 golf program. It's like Ou football practice fields--it's there for the scholarship players, the rest of us they could give diddly squat about. Jimmie Austin on the other hand hosted the USGA Publinx. It's a Perry Maxwell course (same as Southern Hills and Dornick) totally open to the public and a very good walker's course, welcoming, encouraging and inviting to general public, the type of course we need more of in America. It's also a great practice facility (range and shortgame areas) besides being near campus and home to Sooner golf teams. Honestly it's just one of my top 10 golf experiences anywhere and I've a played from coast to coast. As much as I enjoy Karsten, I would much rather play five rounds at JA for the price of one at Karsten. Karsten off the tips is a monster. JA from the back tees--a fair test for anyone who can drive it 250 (and keep it in play) with some iron game.

Edited by ColonelTravis - 23 February 2010 at 1:02pm

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 12:58pm

you really shouldn't compare the two courses. Austin is a public course, and is very nice. Karsten is beyond beautiful and beyond difficult. and as far as karsten not caring about people, other than the OSU golf teams, playing it? not true. there are memberships to be had, they are just limited. there is a bulls eye, w/ the middle being Karsten/Stillwater. the rings around the center represent an area (w/in miles) they only allow so many people memberships from each ring. don't know if that makes sense

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 1:08pm

Originally posted by ColonelTravis

Originally posted by da_greek_poke

Visit the Center of the Universe in Tulsa

greek--now that's a funny right? Or am I missing something?!

Oh oh oh!! And everybody's got to visit the Dog Iron Ranch!!!!

Is the Blue Whale still at Verdigris? What about that huge Cowboy statue almost as big as Big Tex somewhere up around Tulsa (Grove maybe??)

Last summer I drove by there and didn't see it.

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 1:09pm

Originally posted by cro1

you really shouldn't compare the two courses. Austin is a public course, and is very nice. Karsten is beyond beautiful and beyond difficult. and as far as karsten not caring about people, other than the OSU golf teams, playing it? not true. there are memberships to be had, they are just limited. there is a bulls eye, w/ the middle being Karsten/Stillwater. the rings around the center represent an area (w/in miles) they only allow so many people memberships from each ring. don't know if that makes sense

That's true kro. Don't get me wrong--it's the greatest thing that ever happened to OSU. And yes memberships are availiable (outside the radius--Holder didn't want to destroy the membership at Stillwater Country Club). And the Boone cottages are available to members and guests when Boone's not using them. But the point I'm making is the fees are exorbitantly high not to pay for the course or maintenance (that's endowed) but basically to restrict play. Karsten exists for one purpose: proving ground for national champions and future tour professionals. The rest is secondary. That being said I can strongly recommend anybody to visit the pro shop or have lunch at the grill next time they're in Stillwater. That's all open to public--and one of best bacon charburgers on the planet. But if you're going to play--have to be guest of a member and ready to pay the full load--what are green fees now $200/ round?

Edited by ColonelTravis - 23 February 2010 at 1:11pm

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 1:34pm

I have been to Stillwater a million times, went to school there but have never stepped foot on Karsten. Sad but true...

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 2:07pm

Originally posted by eddie vedder

I have been to Stillwater a million times, went to school there but have never stepped foot on Karsten. Sad but true...

The grill and pro shop are in the same room--public welcome. Right across the main room is the hall with all the trophies and All Americans. Every Poke should own a Karsten cap or visor.

pretty neat website:

http://www.cowboygolfcamp.com/

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 2:50pm

Originally posted by ColonelTravis

i think it cost more than $200 a round now, but not sure. last time i played it, it was $175

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 3:55pm

Originally posted by ColonelTravis

Here's another one i just thought of:

visit Custer's Next-to-Last Stand (what's the name of that monument near Cheyenne???)

Battle of the Wash!ta

Really wasn't much of a battle, though. . .

And I see the censor won't let me spell Wash!ta the correct way.

Edited by D. Mikels - 23 February 2010 at 3:57pm

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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 4:02pm

Originally posted by D. Mikels

Originally posted by ColonelTravis

Here's another one i just thought of:

visit Custer's Next-to-Last Stand (what's the name of that monument near Cheyenne???)

Battle of the Wash!ta

Really wasn't much of a battle, though. . .

And I see the censor won't let me spell Wash!ta the correct way.

You need to restore your comment about the software!

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Posted: 25 February 2010 at 12:37pm

Originally posted by ColonelTravis

Originally posted by snowman

Originally posted by ColonelTravis

Originally posted by Carl_Spackler

Originally posted by ColonelTravis

Originally posted by TheFranchise17

Your Welcome everyone, finally calling out Travis' colon or colonel travis

Calling out? I've paid my time in Blacklist Hell--I'm sure I'll be there a few more times before I kick the bucket!!!!

Incidentally--I'm working on a story right now called the Bucket List for Oklahoma...

any ideas? ie--what are the 50 things every Oklahoman should do before they "kick the bucket?"

For instance--

1. Watch the sun set over Black Mesa

2. Two step at Cains

3. Eat cheesy fries at Joes

............

Homer pick.

OK--see game at Owen Field and visit Switzer Center

Play round of golf at Jimmie Austin (best public course in the state)

there's lots to do--may have to up it from 50 to 103 (years of statehood)

sorry, jimmie austin is not as good as karsten creek. played both, kc is freaking awesome. just as good as oak tree national (before otn re-did everything) imo. kc costs too much to play now

jimmie austin also raised their rates

james a. should be poy, but collins will get lots of votes due to ku being so strong

-agree with talimina drive-awesome

- agree with meers burger, also get the banana pudding

-eat at Catfish Platter (outside of madill and kinston on hwy 99, 1 mile north of texas border) best catfish i have ever had. family run.

-fish any lake at sunrise or sunset. being out in the middle of the water at that time is awesome.

Snow--

i do enjoy playing at ou's course, i hate the fact they took it to $75, $50 is kinda my limit for golf around here. i love the course, it's just i have played Karsten 2x, ($75 1st time) back in the day and it was just an awesome experience (played form the tips) got to experience a lot of the course that day. i was talking just comparing courses not the other things around it. i do hate that osu now charges i think $300 to play, just stupid. i know they are trying to keep the rounds down, but come on.... just peed because i don't have the $$$ to play there.

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cro1 Big League Joined: 25 January 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9022	Posted: 23 February 2010 at 8:00am
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The Dayman Yard Bird Joined: 30 December 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 491	Posted: 23 February 2010 at 9:03am
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	*Originally posted by The Dayman* Robertson's Ham Sandwich Blueberry pancakes at the Diner a Meer's burger All good "must-dos" guys...also need other experiences (float the Illinois is a goodun)--like: Go to WoodyFest in Okemah Take your picture in front of the Round Barn in Arcadia Go to the livestock sale in Beaver Road trip on the Talihina? (Talimina?--what's the name of the road where JFK visited?) Scope out the Prairie Parthenon near Mocane I need some stuff SE and SW--around Altus or Ft. Sill and Little Dixie Edited by ColonelTravis - 23 February 2010 at 11:20am
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	Here's another one i just thought of: visit Custer's Next-to-Last Stand (what's the name of that monument near Cheyenne???)
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da_greek_poke Ultimate Joined: 16 August 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 12312	Posted: 23 February 2010 at 11:40am
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	*Originally posted by da_greek_poke* Visit the Center of the Universe in Tulsa greek--now that's a funny right? Or am I missing something?! Also--where was it near Tahlequah that Sam Houston hung out with the Cherokees before he liberated Texas?? Also--can you still see the dents in the shed behind Mickey Mantle's house (isn't that in Commerce?) Oh oh oh!! And everybody's got to visit the Dog Iron Ranch!!!! Is the Blue Whale still at Verdigris? What about that huge Cowboy statue almost as big as Big Tex somewhere up around Tulsa (Grove maybe??)
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snowman Solid Individual Joined: 27 May 2009 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 875	Posted: 23 February 2010 at 12:39pm
	*Originally posted by ColonelTravis* *Originally posted by Carl_Spackler* *Originally posted by ColonelTravis* *Originally posted by TheFranchise17* Your Welcome everyone, finally calling out Travis' colon or colonel travis Calling out? I've paid my time in Blacklist Hell--I'm sure I'll be there a few more times before I kick the bucket!!!! Incidentally--I'm working on a story right now called the Bucket List for Oklahoma... any ideas? ie--what are the 50 things every Oklahoman should do before they "kick the bucket?" For instance-- 1. Watch the sun set over Black Mesa 2. Two step at Cains 3. Eat cheesy fries at Joes ............ Homer pick. OK--see game at Owen Field and visit Switzer Center Play round of golf at Jimmie Austin (best public course in the state) there's lots to do--may have to up it from 50 to 103 (years of statehood) sorry, jimmie austin is not as good as karsten creek. played both, kc is freaking awesome. just as good as oak tree national (before otn re-did everything) imo. kc costs too much to play now jimmie austin also raised their rates james a. should be poy, but collins will get lots of votes due to ku being so strong -agree with talimina drive-awesome - agree with meers burger, also get the banana pudding -eat at Catfish Platter (outside of madill and kinston on hwy 99, 1 mile north of texas border) best catfish i have ever had. family run. -fish any lake at sunrise or sunset. being out in the middle of the water at that time is awesome.
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	*Originally posted by snowman* *Originally posted by ColonelTravis* *Originally posted by Carl_Spackler* *Originally posted by ColonelTravis* *Originally posted by TheFranchise17* Your Welcome everyone, finally calling out Travis' colon or colonel travis Calling out? I've paid my time in Blacklist Hell--I'm sure I'll be there a few more times before I kick the bucket!!!! Incidentally--I'm working on a story right now called the Bucket List for Oklahoma... any ideas? ie--what are the 50 things every Oklahoman should do before they "kick the bucket?" For instance-- 1. Watch the sun set over Black Mesa 2. Two step at Cains 3. Eat cheesy fries at Joes ............ Homer pick. OK--see game at Owen Field and visit Switzer Center Play round of golf at Jimmie Austin (best public course in the state) there's lots to do--may have to up it from 50 to 103 (years of statehood) sorry, jimmie austin is not as good as karsten creek. played both, kc is freaking awesome. just as good as oak tree national (before otn re-did everything) imo. kc costs too much to play now jimmie austin also raised their rates james a. should be poy, but collins will get lots of votes due to ku being so strong -agree with talimina drive-awesome - agree with meers burger, also get the banana pudding -eat at Catfish Platter (outside of madill and kinston on hwy 99, 1 mile north of texas border) best catfish i have ever had. family run. -fish any lake at sunrise or sunset. being out in the middle of the water at that time is awesome. Snow-- I'm an OSU guy and agree to a certain extent that Karsten is "better" than Jimmie Austin. However--at Karsten they could care less if anybody besides the players ever played it again. That's a training ground for the best D1 golf program. It's like Ou football practice fields--it's there for the scholarship players, the rest of us they could give diddly squat about. Jimmie Austin on the other hand hosted the USGA Publinx. It's a Perry Maxwell course (same as Southern Hills and Dornick) totally open to the public and a very good walker's course, welcoming, encouraging and inviting to general public, the type of course we need more of in America. It's also a great practice facility (range and shortgame areas) besides being near campus and home to Sooner golf teams. Honestly it's just one of my top 10 golf experiences anywhere and I've a played from coast to coast. As much as I enjoy Karsten, I would much rather play five rounds at JA for the price of one at Karsten. Karsten off the tips is a monster. JA from the back tees--a fair test for anyone who can drive it 250 (and keep it in play) with some iron game. Edited by ColonelTravis - 23 February 2010 at 1:02pm
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	you really shouldn't compare the two courses. Austin is a public course, and is very nice. Karsten is beyond beautiful and beyond difficult. and as far as karsten not caring about people, other than the OSU golf teams, playing it? not true. there are memberships to be had, they are just limited. there is a bulls eye, w/ the middle being Karsten/Stillwater. the rings around the center represent an area (w/in miles) they only allow so many people memberships from each ring. don't know if that makes sense
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	*Originally posted by ColonelTravis* *Originally posted by da_greek_poke* Visit the Center of the Universe in Tulsa greek--now that's a funny right? Or am I missing something?! Also--where was it near Tahlequah that Sam Houston hung out with the Cherokees before he liberated Texas?? Also--can you still see the dents in the shed behind Mickey Mantle's house (isn't that in Commerce?) Oh oh oh!! And everybody's got to visit the Dog Iron Ranch!!!! Is the Blue Whale still at Verdigris? What about that huge Cowboy statue almost as big as Big Tex somewhere up around Tulsa (Grove maybe??) Last summer I drove by there and didn't see it.
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	*Originally posted by cro1* you really shouldn't compare the two courses. Austin is a public course, and is very nice. Karsten is beyond beautiful and beyond difficult. and as far as karsten not caring about people, other than the OSU golf teams, playing it? not true. there are memberships to be had, they are just limited. there is a bulls eye, w/ the middle being Karsten/Stillwater. the rings around the center represent an area (w/in miles) they only allow so many people memberships from each ring. don't know if that makes sense That's true kro. Don't get me wrong--it's the greatest thing that ever happened to OSU. And yes memberships are availiable (outside the radius--Holder didn't want to destroy the membership at Stillwater Country Club). And the Boone cottages are available to members and guests when Boone's not using them. But the point I'm making is the fees are exorbitantly high not to pay for the course or maintenance (that's endowed) but basically to restrict play. Karsten exists for one purpose: proving ground for national champions and future tour professionals. The rest is secondary. That being said I can strongly recommend anybody to visit the pro shop or have lunch at the grill next time they're in Stillwater. That's all open to public--and one of best bacon charburgers on the planet. But if you're going to play--have to be guest of a member and ready to pay the full load--what are green fees now $200/ round? Edited by ColonelTravis - 23 February 2010 at 1:11pm
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	I have been to Stillwater a million times, went to school there but have never stepped foot on Karsten. Sad but true...
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	*Originally posted by eddie vedder* I have been to Stillwater a million times, went to school there but have never stepped foot on Karsten. Sad but true... The grill and pro shop are in the same room--public welcome. Right across the main room is the hall with all the trophies and All Americans. Every Poke should own a Karsten cap or visor. pretty neat website: http://www.cowboygolfcamp.com/
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cro1 Big League Joined: 25 January 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9022	Posted: 23 February 2010 at 2:50pm
	*Originally posted by ColonelTravis* *Originally posted by cro1* you really shouldn't compare the two courses. Austin is a public course, and is very nice. Karsten is beyond beautiful and beyond difficult. and as far as karsten not caring about people, other than the OSU golf teams, playing it? not true. there are memberships to be had, they are just limited. there is a bulls eye, w/ the middle being Karsten/Stillwater. the rings around the center represent an area (w/in miles) they only allow so many people memberships from each ring. don't know if that makes sense That's true kro. Don't get me wrong--it's the greatest thing that ever happened to OSU. And yes memberships are availiable (outside the radius--Holder didn't want to destroy the membership at Stillwater Country Club). And the Boone cottages are available to members and guests when Boone's not using them. But the point I'm making is the fees are exorbitantly high not to pay for the course or maintenance (that's endowed) but basically to restrict play. Karsten exists for one purpose: proving ground for national champions and future tour professionals. The rest is secondary. That being said I can strongly recommend anybody to visit the pro shop or have lunch at the grill next time they're in Stillwater. That's all open to public--and one of best bacon charburgers on the planet. But if you're going to play--have to be guest of a member and ready to pay the full load--what are green fees now $200/ round? i think it cost more than $200 a round now, but not sure. last time i played it, it was $175
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D. Mikels Ultimate Joined: 07 May 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 15830	Posted: 23 February 2010 at 3:55pm
	*Originally posted by ColonelTravis* Here's another one i just thought of: visit Custer's Next-to-Last Stand (what's the name of that monument near Cheyenne???) Battle of the Wash!ta Really wasn't much of a battle, though. . . And I see the censor won't let me spell Wash!ta the correct way. Edited by D. Mikels - 23 February 2010 at 3:57pm
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Annie Ultimate Joined: 02 May 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 17209	Posted: 23 February 2010 at 4:02pm
	*Originally posted by D. Mikels* *Originally posted by ColonelTravis* Here's another one i just thought of: visit Custer's Next-to-Last Stand (what's the name of that monument near Cheyenne???) Battle of the Wash!ta Really wasn't much of a battle, though. . . And I see the censor won't let me spell Wash!ta the correct way. You need to restore your comment about the software!
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snowman Solid Individual Joined: 27 May 2009 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 875	Posted: 25 February 2010 at 12:37pm
	*Originally posted by ColonelTravis* *Originally posted by snowman* *Originally posted by ColonelTravis* *Originally posted by Carl_Spackler* *Originally posted by ColonelTravis* *Originally posted by TheFranchise17* Your Welcome everyone, finally calling out Travis' colon or colonel travis Calling out? I've paid my time in Blacklist Hell--I'm sure I'll be there a few more times before I kick the bucket!!!! Incidentally--I'm working on a story right now called the Bucket List for Oklahoma... any ideas? ie--what are the 50 things every Oklahoman should do before they "kick the bucket?" For instance-- 1. Watch the sun set over Black Mesa 2. Two step at Cains 3. Eat cheesy fries at Joes ............ Homer pick. OK--see game at Owen Field and visit Switzer Center Play round of golf at Jimmie Austin (best public course in the state) there's lots to do--may have to up it from 50 to 103 (years of statehood) sorry, jimmie austin is not as good as karsten creek. played both, kc is freaking awesome. just as good as oak tree national (before otn re-did everything) imo. kc costs too much to play now jimmie austin also raised their rates james a. should be poy, but collins will get lots of votes due to ku being so strong -agree with talimina drive-awesome - agree with meers burger, also get the banana pudding -eat at Catfish Platter (outside of madill and kinston on hwy 99, 1 mile north of texas border) best catfish i have ever had. family run. -fish any lake at sunrise or sunset. being out in the middle of the water at that time is awesome. Snow-- I'm an OSU guy and agree to a certain extent that Karsten is "better" than Jimmie Austin. However--at Karsten they could care less if anybody besides the players ever played it again. That's a training ground for the best D1 golf program. It's like Ou football practice fields--it's there for the scholarship players, the rest of us they could give diddly squat about. Jimmie Austin on the other hand hosted the USGA Publinx. It's a Perry Maxwell course (same as Southern Hills and Dornick) totally open to the public and a very good walker's course, welcoming, encouraging and inviting to general public, the type of course we need more of in America. It's also a great practice facility (range and shortgame areas) besides being near campus and home to Sooner golf teams. Honestly it's just one of my top 10 golf experiences anywhere and I've a played from coast to coast. As much as I enjoy Karsten, I would much rather play five rounds at JA for the price of one at Karsten. Karsten off the tips is a monster. JA from the back tees--a fair test for anyone who can drive it 250 (and keep it in play) with some iron game. i do enjoy playing at ou's course, i hate the fact they took it to $75, $50 is kinda my limit for golf around here. i love the course, it's just i have played Karsten 2x, ($75 1st time) back in the day and it was just an awesome experience (played form the tips) got to experience a lot of the course that day. i was talking just comparing courses not the other things around it. i do hate that osu now charges i think $300 to play, just stupid. i know they are trying to keep the rounds down, but come on.... just peed because i don't have the $$$ to play there.
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