![]() |
Active Topics Memberlist Calendar Search |
| |
| The Truth - JimTraber.com | |
| |
|
| Author | Message |
|
Shawnmusicmin
Ultimate
Joined: 20 April 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 12944 |
![]() Topic: Who's paying for the Islam Center?Posted: 22 July 2010 at 7:03pm |
|
(CNN) -- In June, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the man behind the proposed Ground Zero mosque, was asked on live radio if he believed Hamas is a terrorist organization.
This isn't a difficult question: Hamas employs suicide bombers and fires incendiary rockets at civilian targets within Israel. It calls for the destruction of the Jewish state followed by the establishment of a potentially fundamentalist and repressive regime. Governments all over the world, including the United States and the European Union, rightfully consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization that willfully and indiscriminately targets innocent civilians. Yet Imam Rauf, after being asked this simple, straightforward question, refused to state whether or not he believed Hamas to be a terrorist organization. He said: "I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy." Now Imam Rauf wants to build and lead a $100 million, 13-story community center and mosque. It would be constructed on property currently occupied by a historic 150-year-old building that was seriously damaged by the landing gear of one of the hijacked jetliners that flew into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, and he wants to unveil it on September 11th, 2011. I oppose the center and mosque's construction because I believe there should be an investigation into the sources of its funding. The main group behind its construction, The Cordoba Initiative, which is headed by the Imam, is a registered charity in New York State. It is the responsibility of New York's Attorney General Andrew Cuomo to ensure the mosque's funding is coming from reputable sources. The radio show comments were not the first time Imam Rauf has said troubling things or been associated with troubling activities. On CBS' "60 Minutes," less than a month after the attacks, he said American policies were an "accessory" to the crime of 9/11. "In fact," he added, "in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA." Imam Rauf is also listed on the website of the Perdana Global Peace Organization as a "role player and contributor." This group was a financial backer of the Gaza flotilla, which attempted in May to break the Israeli's blockade of Gaza. The Cordoba Initiative has reported less than $20,000 dollars in assets. Where the $100 million for his project would come from is anybody's guess. Furthermore, it's fair to ask why, exactly, Imam Rauf has insisted on building the mosque so close to Ground Zero, and why he wants to unveil it on the 10th anniversary of the attacks. This not an issue of religious freedom, but rather, a question of safety and security. New Yorkers deserve to be safe and to feel safe, and we have a right to know who's footing the bill for Imam Rauf's project. Are foreign governments or other organizations involved? And why is there such secrecy about the source of the money? The Cordoba Initiative is legally required to file disclosure reports with the office of the attorney general, and it could easily be asked under state law to open its books for the office if Cuomo would simply make that request. We need to know who is paying for the center and mosque. We need to know what their motives are, and we need to know if the Imam is promising any potential benefactors anything in return for their support. |
|
|
The question remains, Do you believe Jesus Is Who He says He Is?
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Shawnmusicmin
Ultimate
Joined: 20 April 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 12944 |
![]() Posted: 22 July 2010 at 7:05pm |
|
In case you missed it
"Governments all over the world, including the United States and the European Union, rightfully consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization that willfully and indiscriminately targets innocent civilians. Yet Imam Rauf, after being asked this simple, straightforward question, refused to state whether or not he believed Hamas to be a terrorist organization. He said: "I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy." " |
|
|
The question remains, Do you believe Jesus Is Who He says He Is?
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
monte
Yard Bird
Joined: 21 December 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 359 |
![]() Posted: 22 July 2010 at 8:32pm |
|
Didn't Israel help create hamas? And the muslims building the mosque are freaking sufis. They are borderline pacifists. Radical muslims hate sufis. |
|
|
"It is in war that the State really comes into its own: swelling in power, in number, in pride, in absolute dominion over the economy and the society." Murray Rothbard
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Shawnmusicmin
Ultimate
Joined: 20 April 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 12944 |
![]() Posted: 22 July 2010 at 9:17pm |
|
monte,,, maybe you did miss it.
|
|
|
The question remains, Do you believe Jesus Is Who He says He Is?
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
monte
Yard Bird
Joined: 21 December 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 359 |
![]() Posted: 22 July 2010 at 9:54pm |
|
Shawn, read the last sentence from your second post. This cat is a through and through pacifist. Seems pretty Christ like to me. Maybe you missed that.
|
|
|
"It is in war that the State really comes into its own: swelling in power, in number, in pride, in absolute dominion over the economy and the society." Murray Rothbard
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Shawnmusicmin
Ultimate
Joined: 20 April 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 12944 |
![]() Posted: 22 July 2010 at 10:02pm |
|
monte,, you may support being unwilling to call hamas a terrorist group,, however since Jesus did call the false preists "vipers".. I believe Jesus would have no problem calling Hamas a terrorist group.
Matthew 23:33 - You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell? Edited by Shawnmusicmin - 22 July 2010 at 10:05pm |
|
|
The question remains, Do you believe Jesus Is Who He says He Is?
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
monte
Yard Bird
Joined: 21 December 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 359 |
![]() Posted: 22 July 2010 at 10:32pm |
|
Hamas is a terroist group. It seems like this guy just bit his tounge on the issue of Hamas. |
|
|
"It is in war that the State really comes into its own: swelling in power, in number, in pride, in absolute dominion over the economy and the society." Murray Rothbard
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
monte
Yard Bird
Joined: 21 December 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 359 |
![]() Posted: 22 July 2010 at 10:38pm |
|
Mathew 5:9- Blessed be the peacemakers The peacemakers...the Sufis
|
|
|
"It is in war that the State really comes into its own: swelling in power, in number, in pride, in absolute dominion over the economy and the society." Murray Rothbard
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Annie
Ultimate
Joined: 02 May 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 17583 |
![]() Posted: 22 July 2010 at 10:52pm |
|
Originally posted by Shawnmusicmin In case you missed it "Governments all over the world, including the United States and the European Union, rightfully consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization that willfully and indiscriminately targets innocent civilians. Yet Imam Rauf, after being asked this simple, straightforward question, refused to state whether or not he believed Hamas to be a terrorist organization. He said: "I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy." " Shawn, it would be helpful if you included the author and source of articles like this -- including url. |
|
|
“If you don’t know where you are going, any road will get you there.”
― Lewis Carroll |
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Annie
Ultimate
Joined: 02 May 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 17583 |
![]() Posted: 22 July 2010 at 10:59pm |
|
Originally posted by monte Didn't Israel help create hamas? And the muslims building the mosque are freaking sufis. They are borderline pacifists. Radical muslims hate sufis. No, they did NOT help create Hamas. In the early days they did provide support as Hamas was in direct competition with the PLO. At that time, Hamas was working in a positive manner to help Palestinians and was not considered to be as violent as the PLO. What is your source that Sufis are building Cordoba House? The Iman is not a Sufi and he has extremely questionable ties to the radical world of Islam. |
|
|
“If you don’t know where you are going, any road will get you there.”
― Lewis Carroll |
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Annie
Ultimate
Joined: 02 May 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 17583 |
![]() Posted: 22 July 2010 at 11:08pm |
|
Here is an article by a Sufi on this subject:
A Mosque Grows Near Brooklyn
|
|
|
“If you don’t know where you are going, any road will get you there.”
― Lewis Carroll |
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Shawnmusicmin
Ultimate
Joined: 20 April 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 12944 |
![]() Posted: 23 July 2010 at 5:32am |
|
Originally posted by Annie
Originally posted by Shawnmusicmin Shawn, it would be helpful if you included the author and source of articles like this -- including url.In case you missed it "Governments all over the world, including the United States and the European Union, rightfully consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization that willfully and indiscriminately targets innocent civilians. Yet Imam Rauf, after being asked this simple, straightforward question, refused to state whether or not he believed Hamas to be a terrorist organization. He said: "I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy." " Sorry, Annie,, I thought the CNN at the beginning would provide the source. It was on the front page of the website when I posted it. Who's paying for the ground zero Islamic center?By Rick Lazio, Special to CNN July 22, 2010 5:56 p.m. EDT |
|
|
The question remains, Do you believe Jesus Is Who He says He Is?
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Shawnmusicmin
Ultimate
Joined: 20 April 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 12944 |
![]() Posted: 23 July 2010 at 5:33am |
|
Former Rep. Rick Lazio served in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1993 to 2001, representing the 2nd Congressional District. He is the Republican nominee for governor of New York running against Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, who is the New York state attorney general.
|
|
|
The question remains, Do you believe Jesus Is Who He says He Is?
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Fishfan
Ultimate
Joined: 02 May 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 20393 |
![]() Posted: 23 July 2010 at 8:57am |
|
If we don't let them build it then the terrorists win!
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
oucub23
Big Daddy
Joined: 03 October 2009 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1625 |
![]() Posted: 23 July 2010 at 9:02am |
|
Originally posted by Fishfan
If we don't let them build it then the terrorists win! ![]()
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
monte
Yard Bird
Joined: 21 December 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 359 |
![]() Posted: 23 July 2010 at 9:16pm |
|
Originally posted by Annie
Originally posted by monte Didn't Israel help create hamas? And the muslims building the mosque are freaking sufis. They are borderline pacifists. Radical muslims hate sufis. No, they did NOT help create Hamas. In the early days they did provide support as Hamas was in direct competition with the PLO. At that time, Hamas was working in a positive manner to help Palestinians and was not considered to be as violent as the PLO. What is your source that Sufis are building Cordoba House? The Iman is not a Sufi and he has extremely questionable ties to the radical world of Islam. I beg to differ about Israel playing a major role in creating Hamas.
Suppose they are not Sufis. If they are not, I do agree that the mosque built there is in poor taste. But I also strongly believe in private property rights and the 1st ammendment, in all cases, not just when it is convinient.
|
|
|
"It is in war that the State really comes into its own: swelling in power, in number, in pride, in absolute dominion over the economy and the society." Murray Rothbard
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Guests
Guest
|
![]() Posted: 23 July 2010 at 9:57pm |
|
Suppose they are sufis and this guy is a "pacifist"...if that is the case he is a very ignorant pacifist if he thinks building a mosque on ground zero is going to result in anything peaceful.
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
monte
Yard Bird
Joined: 21 December 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 359 |
![]() Posted: 23 July 2010 at 10:11pm |
|
Mully, I disagree. A pacifist muslim sect sends nothing but messages of peace. If they are Sufis, keep in mind that they are hated by radical muslim sects, such as the shiates we have proped up in Iraq. |
|
|
"It is in war that the State really comes into its own: swelling in power, in number, in pride, in absolute dominion over the economy and the society." Murray Rothbard
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
||
Forum Jump |
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
|