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    Posted: 22 July 2010 at 7:03pm
(CNN) -- In June, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the man behind the proposed Ground Zero mosque, was asked on live radio if he believed Hamas is a terrorist organization.

This isn't a difficult question: Hamas employs suicide bombers and fires incendiary rockets at civilian targets within Israel. It calls for the destruction of the Jewish state followed by the establishment of a potentially fundamentalist and repressive regime.

Governments all over the world, including the United States and the European Union, rightfully consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization that willfully and indiscriminately targets innocent civilians. Yet Imam Rauf, after being asked this simple, straightforward question, refused to state whether or not he believed Hamas to be a terrorist organization. He said: "I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy."

Now Imam Rauf wants to build and lead a $100 million, 13-story community center and mosque. It would be constructed on property currently occupied by a historic 150-year-old building that was seriously damaged by the landing gear of one of the hijacked jetliners that flew into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, and he wants to unveil it on September 11th, 2011.

I oppose the center and mosque's construction because I believe there should be an investigation into the sources of its funding. The main group behind its construction, The Cordoba Initiative, which is headed by the Imam, is a registered charity in New York State. It is the responsibility of New York's Attorney General Andrew Cuomo to ensure the mosque's funding is coming from reputable sources.

The radio show comments were not the first time Imam Rauf has said troubling things or been associated with troubling activities. On CBS' "60 Minutes," less than a month after the attacks, he said American policies were an "accessory" to the crime of 9/11. "In fact," he added, "in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA."

Imam Rauf is also listed on the website of the Perdana Global Peace Organization as a "role player and contributor." This group was a financial backer of the Gaza flotilla, which attempted in May to break the Israeli's blockade of Gaza.

The Cordoba Initiative has reported less than $20,000 dollars in assets. Where the $100 million for his project would come from is anybody's guess. Furthermore, it's fair to ask why, exactly, Imam Rauf has insisted on building the mosque so close to Ground Zero, and why he wants to unveil it on the 10th anniversary of the attacks. This not an issue of religious freedom, but rather, a question of safety and security.

New Yorkers deserve to be safe and to feel safe, and we have a right to know who's footing the bill for Imam Rauf's project. Are foreign governments or other organizations involved? And why is there such secrecy about the source of the money?

The Cordoba Initiative is legally required to file disclosure reports with the office of the attorney general, and it could easily be asked under state law to open its books for the office if Cuomo would simply make that request.

We need to know who is paying for the center and mosque. We need to know what their motives are, and we need to know if the Imam is promising any potential benefactors anything in return for their support.
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Quote Shawnmusicmin Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2010 at 7:05pm
In case you missed it

"Governments all over the world, including the United States and the European Union, rightfully consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization that willfully and indiscriminately targets innocent civilians. Yet Imam Rauf, after being asked this simple, straightforward question, refused to state whether or not he believed Hamas to be a terrorist organization. He said: "I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy." "
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Quote monte Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2010 at 8:32pm

Didn't Israel help create hamas? And the muslims building the mosque are freaking sufis. They are borderline pacifists. Radical muslims hate sufis.

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Quote Shawnmusicmin Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2010 at 9:17pm
monte,,, maybe you did miss it.
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Quote monte Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2010 at 9:54pm
Shawn, read the last sentence from your second post. This cat is a through and through pacifist. Seems pretty Christ like to me. Maybe you missed that.
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Quote Shawnmusicmin Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2010 at 10:02pm
monte,, you may support being unwilling to call hamas a terrorist group,, however since Jesus did call the false preists "vipers".. I believe Jesus would have no problem calling Hamas a terrorist group.


Matthew 23:33 - You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?

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Quote monte Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2010 at 10:32pm

Hamas is a terroist group. It seems like this guy just bit his tounge on the issue of Hamas.

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Quote monte Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2010 at 10:38pm

Mathew 5:9- Blessed be the peacemakers

The peacemakers...the Sufis
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Quote Annie Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2010 at 10:52pm
Originally posted by Shawnmusicmin

In case you missed it

"Governments all over the world, including the United States and the European Union, rightfully consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization that willfully and indiscriminately targets innocent civilians. Yet Imam Rauf, after being asked this simple, straightforward question, refused to state whether or not he believed Hamas to be a terrorist organization. He said: "I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy." "


Shawn, it would be helpful if you included the author and source of articles like this -- including url.
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Quote Annie Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2010 at 10:59pm
Originally posted by monte

Didn't Israel help create hamas? And the muslims building the mosque are freaking sufis. They are borderline pacifists. Radical muslims hate sufis.



No, they did NOT help create Hamas. In the early days they did provide support as Hamas was in direct competition with the PLO. At that time, Hamas was working in a positive manner to help Palestinians and was not considered to be as violent as the PLO.

What is your source that Sufis are building Cordoba House? The Iman is not a Sufi and he has extremely questionable ties to the radical world of Islam.
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Quote Annie Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2010 at 11:08pm
Here is an article by a Sufi on this subject:

A Mosque Grows Near Brooklyn
The dubious financing of 'Cordoba House' deserves scrutiny.

by Stephen Schwartz
The Weekly Standard
July 26, 2010

http://www.islamicpluralism.org/1594/a-mosque-grows-near-brooklyn

Since a proposal to construct a 15-story mosque and community center two blocks from Ground Zero was announced last year, the project has been a focus of widening protests. To be named Cordoba House, the project would require demolition of two buildings at 45-47 Park Place and Broadway that were damaged on 9/11. They would be replaced by a glass and steel 100,000-square-foot structure with a new address, 45-51 Park Place.

According to its sponsors, the Cordoba Initiative and the American Society of Muslim Advancement (ASMA), the structure would cost $100 million and would include "a 500-seat auditorium, swimming pool, art exhibition spaces, bookstores, restaurants," and an area for Islamic prayer. The Cordoba Initiative and ASMA were created by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, a Kuwait-born cleric of Egyptian background.

Every inch the professional moderate, Rauf has the imprimatur of the State Department, which sent him on an international bridge-building tour earlier this year. And he has cloaked the Cordoba effort in the rhetoric of reconciliation, describing himself and his colleagues as "the anti-terrorists." But he deflects inquiries about its financing. On July 7, New York Republican gubernatorial candidate Rick Lazio called on state attorney general Andrew Cuomo, who is also Lazio's Democratic opponent in the coming election, to "conduct a thorough investigation" of three aspects of the project:

- Rauf's refusal to acknowledge that Hamas is a terrorist organization;

- Rauf's leading role in the Perdana Global Peace Organization, "a principal partner," in its own words, of the Turkish-launched flotilla that tried to break the Israeli naval blockade of Gaza;

- and the project's questionable sources of funding.

Lazio has been supported in this demand by New York Republican congressman Peter King.

Many who object to construction of an Islamic facility so close to the site of the World Trade Center feel that a large, if not dominating Muslim presence there would be at best insensitive and at worst a symbol of the very Islamist supremacy that is the goal of al Qaeda and other jihadist killers. Such sentiments are hardly the last word in a question of public policy. But the background support and financing for this ambitious undertaking are matters that deserve to be addressed.

Non-Muslim defenders of Rauf—including Cuomo and New York mayor Michael Bloomberg—have rejected demands for investigation of the ideological and financial underpinnings of the Ground Zero mosque. They have argued that such an inquiry would violate the First Amendment guarantee of free exercise of religion. But faith should not serve as a pretext for extremist or potentially criminal activities.

Rauf's ASMA website lists mainstream philanthropic donors, including the Carnegie Corporation of New York, three Rockefeller charities, the Danny Kaye & Sylvia Fine Foundation, the Henry Luce Foundation, three feminist-oriented groups, and six other funders. New York Muslims, however, are well aware that the Rauf scheme is also associated with financing and support from other doubtful individuals and entities in addition to Perdana, which is led by the notorious Jew-baiter Mahathir bin Mohamad, former prime minister of Malaysia.

The idea of building an Islamic peace memorial in lower Manhattan was circulating as early as 2003. Its early proponents were two Iranian brothers, M. Jafar "Amir" Mahallati, who served as ambassador of the Iranian Islamic Republic to the United Nations from 1987 to 1989, and M. Hossein Mahallati. Amir Mahallati had served with Rauf in the leadership of an obscure nonprofit, the Interfaith Center of New York, for which Rauf was a vice chair and Mahallati a board member. The two had also participated in a 2006 radio program, "From Turmoil to Tourism: Following the Path of Abraham."

Hossein Mahallati had experience of his own in the intersecting New York worlds of charitable giving and property management. He was director from 1983 to 1992 of the Alavi Foundation, set up in 1973 by the government of the shah of Iran as the Pahlavi Foundation, but taken over and renamed after the Khomeini revolution. The Alavi Foundation is currently the subject of a federal civil action seeking forfeiture of assets, including an office building at 650 Fifth Avenue in Manhattan and four Shia mosques and schools in New York, California, Maryland, and Texas.

While U.S. sanctions on the Alavi Foundation, announced in 2009, received little notice, the government's charges are disturbing. They include control of Alavi by the Tehran dictatorship through its diplomats at the United Nations, and transfer of income from the office building at 650 Fifth Avenue to Bank Melli, the Iranian national financial institution. Bank Melli had been designated a "Weapons of Mass Destruction proliferator" by the U.S. Treasury Department. Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence Stuart Levey noted, "The international community has recognized the proliferation risks posed by Iran's Bank Melli." In late 2009, the Alavi Foundation's last head, Farshid Jahedi, pled guilty to two felony counts of obstruction of justice for destroying documents about the Alavi-Melli relationship that had been subpoenaed in the investigation, which continues. Jahedi was sentenced on April 29 to three months' imprisonment, six months' supervised release, and a $3,000 fine.

Hossein Mahallati was the subject of an unsuccessful federal inquiry in 1992 regarding an alleged conspiracy to export biological warfare materials to Iran. His predecessor as Alavi director, Manoucher Shafie, who managed the foundation's transition from serving the shah's government to that of Ayatollah Khomeini, was charged with conspiring to export prohibited U.S. technology to Iran. Neither was prosecuted.

Hossein Mahallati remains an enthusiastic supporter of Rauf's Ground Zero enterprise, especially since an Egyptian property developer, Sharif El-Gamal, who appears to be the real leader of the effort, using Rauf as his public face, put up $4.85 million in cash to purchase the location. El-Gamal is chief executive officer of Soho Properties, Inc., a commercial real estate investment firm he founded in 2003. His partner is Nour Mousa, another guiding figure in the Ground Zero mosque effort and the nephew of Amr Moussa, head of the Arab League. Amr Moussa was the first major Arab leader to go to Gaza and affirm support for Hamas, in mid-June, after the recent blockade-running assault.

El-Gamal has kept a low profile in the dispute over the appearance of an Islamic institution near Ground Zero, although last week he appeared before a hearing of the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission to announce that Cordoba House will now be known as Park51. He and Rauf have both taken to downplaying the religious character of the proposal, preferring that the building be called a "community center."

So far, then, the Ground Zero Islamic facility rests on a support network linked to the anti-Jewish Mahathir and the Perdana-supported Gaza raiders, some notable servants of the Iranian clerical dictatorship, and an Egyptian property developer associated with the pro-Hamas chief of the Arab League.

But the questionable aspects of the Ground Zero Islamic project do not end there. Feisal Abdul Rauf's wife, Daisy Khan, executive director of ASMA, has been one of the most assiduous promoters of the lower Manhattan mega-mosque. She spoke on July 6 to the Chautauqua Institution, celebrating the double heritage she claims: "The first, the American faith-based social activism, a legacy that included the abolitionists, women's suffrage movement, and the civil rights movement. Second, I have inherited the tradition of my faith, a faith that has inspired positive social change for over 1,400 years."

Rauf's wife failed to mention another feature of her background: She is the niece of Dr. Farooq Khan, formerly a leader of the Westbury Mosque on Long Island, which is a center for Islamic radicals and links on its website to the paramilitary Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), the front on American soil for the Pakistani jihadist Jamaat e-Islami.

Lazio and King are right, and Cuomo and Bloomberg are wrong. Aside from the matter of sensitivity to the families of the 9/11 victims and other Manhattanites who live near Ground Zero, if the friends and fans of Feisal Abdul Rauf believe his mosque plan is entirely above board, they should be the first to encourage full public disclosure of its backing and finances.


http://www.islamicpluralism.org/1594/a-mosque-grows-near-brooklyn


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Quote Shawnmusicmin Replybullet Posted: 23 July 2010 at 5:32am
Originally posted by Annie


Originally posted by Shawnmusicmin

In case you missed it

"Governments all over the world, including the United States and the European Union, rightfully consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization that willfully and indiscriminately targets innocent civilians. Yet Imam Rauf, after being asked this simple, straightforward question, refused to state whether or not he believed Hamas to be a terrorist organization. He said: "I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy." "
Shawn, it would be helpful if you included the author and source of articles like this -- including url.


Sorry, Annie,, I thought the CNN at the beginning would provide the source. It was on the front page of the website when I posted it.

Who's paying for the ground zero Islamic center?By Rick Lazio, Special to CNN
July 22, 2010 5:56 p.m. EDT


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Quote Shawnmusicmin Replybullet Posted: 23 July 2010 at 5:33am
Former Rep. Rick Lazio served in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1993 to 2001, representing the 2nd Congressional District. He is the Republican nominee for governor of New York running against Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, who is the New York state attorney general.
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Quote Fishfan Replybullet Posted: 23 July 2010 at 8:57am
If we don't let them build it then the terrorists win!

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Quote oucub23 Replybullet Posted: 23 July 2010 at 9:02am
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If we don't let them build it then the terrorists win!



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Quote monte Replybullet Posted: 23 July 2010 at 9:16pm
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Originally posted by monte

Didn't Israel help create hamas? And the muslims building the mosque are freaking sufis. They are borderline pacifists. Radical muslims hate sufis.



No, they did NOT help create Hamas. In the early days they did provide support as Hamas was in direct competition with the PLO. At that time, Hamas was working in a positive manner to help Palestinians and was not considered to be as violent as the PLO.

What is your source that Sufis are building Cordoba House? The Iman is not a Sufi and he has extremely questionable ties to the radical world of Islam.
I beg to differ about Israel playing a major role in creating Hamas.
 
Suppose they are not Sufis. If they are not, I do agree that the mosque built there is in poor taste.  But I also strongly believe in private property rights and the 1st ammendment, in all cases, not just when it is convinient.
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Quote Guests Replybullet Posted: 23 July 2010 at 9:57pm
Suppose they are sufis and this guy is a "pacifist"...if that is the case he is a very ignorant pacifist if he thinks building a mosque on ground zero is going to result in anything peaceful. 
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Quote monte Replybullet Posted: 23 July 2010 at 10:11pm

Mully, I disagree. A pacifist muslim sect sends nothing but messages of peace. If they are Sufis, keep in mind that they are hated by radical muslim sects, such as the shiates we have proped up in Iraq.

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