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bill callahan
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![]() Topic: The price of 40miles with no gas: 41,000Posted: 28 July 2010 at 8:41am |
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seems a tad steep even with the fed tax credit for 40 miles with no gas. but i wonder which would have been better for the country and the dependence on oil, the plug-in electric car or the hydrogen car that the obama admin killed.
GM Volt's price induces some sticker shock
By Peter Whoriskey
The long-anticipated Chevrolet Volt, General Motors' electric car, will cost $41,000, the company announced Tuesday, leaving consumers to decide whether its environmental appeal is worth a price far above that of similarly sized conventional autos. Electric-car technology has been around for years, but the high cost to make the vehicles has prevented automakers from producing them for the mass market. The price announcements for the Volt and its electric rival, the Nissan Leaf, have been highly anticipated as a result. Nissan, the only other major manufacturer expected to bring such a vehicle to market this year, said the Leaf will cost $32,780. GM and Nissan are relying on a $7,500 federal tax credit for buyers of electric vehicles to offset some of the added cost, and they're hoping that the allure of their novel power source will make up the rest. "The Volt is a game-changing product," said Tony Posawatz, GM's vehicle line director for the Volt, which is expected to hit showrooms in November 2011. (Photos: 2010 International Auto Show) Although the prices are high, enthusiasts say that electric cars can reach a large, untapped market for vehicles with little or no tailpipe emissions. The Volt can travel 40 miles on its battery charge and an additional 340 miles on a gasoline-powered generator. The all-electric Leaf has a range of 100 miles. During the 2008 presidential campaign, then-Sen. Barack Obama pledged to put 1 million plug-in vehicles on the road by 2015. But some analysts said they doubt that electric cars can reach a broad audience in the near term. Hybrid cars took about eight years to reach the million-unit sales mark in the United States, according to Energy Department figures. "I'm not sure the Volt is going to be a volume vehicle," said George Magliano, director of automotive industry forecasting for North America at IHS Global Insight. "The technology still isn't there to make them cheap. At the end of the day, the consumer pays a hefty premium to make a statement." To move the industry along and bolster U.S. manufacturing, the Obama administration has put its weight, and billions of dollars, behind an effort to develop electric cars and batteries in the United States. In developing the Volt, GM is seeking to fulfill its promise to Congress during the government bailout to move beyond gas-guzzlers. The company had been planning the Volt long before it neared bankruptcy last year, however, as an attempt to leapfrog Toyota in the quest for fuel-efficient vehicles. The president has expressed optimism that automakers will be able to lower the price tag of electric-vehicle technology. Earlier this month, he suggested that major reductions in battery costs, one of the primary reasons electric cars are more expensive, are on the horizon. "Because of advances in the manufacturing, [battery] costs are expected to come down by nearly 70 percent in the next few years," Obama said at the site of a planned battery factory in Michigan. "That's going to make electric and hybrid cars and trucks more affordable for more Americans." Both the Volt and the Leaf will cost considerably more than rival gasoline-powered compact sedans, such as the Honda Civic or the Ford Focus, each of which costs under $20,000. Price is only one potential barrier to mass adoption, however. Consumers must also get accustomed to plugging the cars in at home. It takes hours to recharge the vehicles, and in the absence of a network of public recharging stations, drivers that run out of juice may need a tow truck. Both Nissan and GM are planning relatively low production levels at first, especially compared with the more than 11 million vehicles expected to be sold nationwide next year. GM plans to produce 10,000 Volts next year, and 30,000 in 2012, company officials have said. Nissan has indicated that it will sell about 25,000 Leafs in the United States next year. (U.S. government borrowing is $1.4 trillion this year - could buy 36,750,000 volts or ...) As the only two major manufacturers preparing to mass-produce cars that can run on batteries, GM and Nissan are engaged in a debate over price and capability. On purchase price, the Leaf is significantly less, though the leasing prices are very similar. The Volt will also be available by lease with a monthly payment of $350 for 36 months and $2,500 due at signing, the company said. "The Chevrolet Volt will be the best vehicle in its class . . . because it's in a class by itself," said Joel Ewanick, vice president of U.S. marketing for GM. "No other automaker offers an electrically driven vehicle that can be your everyday driver, to take you wherever, whenever." var comments_url = "http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/27/AR2010072705834_Comments.html" ; var article_id = "AR2010072705834" ; |
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 9:14am |
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Well, I don't know if the price is that out of range these days. A pickup/suv can run above 50 grand. A luxury car can do the same. If the Volt is as good as they say it is, I would certainly buy one on my next purchase.
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OKdiver
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 9:25am |
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I will not buy anything from Obama Motors. I don't care if us tax payers own part of the company.
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 9:28am |
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Originally posted by OKdiver That is your right. Buy what you want. I will buy what I need, and if it is GM, no big deal to me.
I will not buy anything from Obama Motors. I don't care if us tax payers own part of the company. |
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boomerjake
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 9:31am |
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I'm with Diver on this one! Just bought a new F250 4x4 and won't be buying any government motors in the future.
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 9:49am |
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Originally posted by boomerjake Why did this thread vanish?? This seems to be happening quite a bit lately.....Anyway, everyone should buy whatever brand of auto they want. If GM builds the best 4x4, I will buy one. I won't punish myself(or a fellow Oklahoman who works for Gm)for partisan/political reasons....
I'm with Diver on this one! Just bought a new F250 4x4 and won't be buying any government motors in the future. |
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boomerjake
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 9:52am |
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It’s not partisan. If George Bush would have been for the bailout the way this was orchestrated then I would not feel any different about not buying a government motors vehicle. |
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 9:56am |
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Originally posted by boomerjake ????Bush was the first to loan GM and Chrysler money from TARP............Anyway, I will buy the vehicle I choose. Brand does not matter to me. It’s not partisan. If George Bush would have been for the bailout the way this was orchestrated then I would not feel any different about not buying a government motors vehicle. Edited by dockbumper5 - 28 July 2010 at 9:57am |
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OKdiver
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 10:00am |
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Originally posted by dockbumper5
Originally posted by boomerjake ????Bush was the first to loan GM and Chrysler money from TARP............Anyway, I will but the vehicle I choose. Brand does not matter to me.It’s not partisan. If George Bush would have been for the bailout the way this was orchestrated then I would not feel any different about not buying a government motors vehicle. Big difference between loaning and buying. Also, Bush did not close a bunch of dealerships based on ownership's race, sex and which political party or candidate was given donations. That is all starting to come out by the way.
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boomerjake
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 10:01am |
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Originally posted by dockbumper5
Originally posted by boomerjake ????Bush was the first to loan GM and Chrysler money from TARP............Anyway, I will buy the vehicle I choose. Brand does not matter to me.It’s not partisan. If George Bush would have been for the bailout the way this was orchestrated then I would not feel any different about not buying a government motors vehicle. That proves my point then that it's not partisan. Of course he didn’t bypass their bondholders by thuggishly strong arming them. Nevertheless, you buy whatever you want to buy, and a lot of us who believe in the free market will buy whatever we want.
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bill callahan
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 10:03am |
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a guy in my bible study class worked for a chevy dealership that was shut down so he had to take a job at another one. i bought a crew cab chevy truck from him in feb and love the truck, so does the wife. first time to buy something other than a car too. |
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 10:08am |
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Originally posted by OKdiver
Originally posted by dockbumper5 Here we go again......Let's see what comes out by the way(on all this race/sex/political party fodder). Who can say Bush would not have done EXACTLY what Obama did, if his term hadn't expired. I certainly can't say he would or would not have. The bailout of GM and Chrysler had already started when Obama took office. Just deal with it.
Originally posted by boomerjake
It’s not partisan. If George Bush would have been for the bailout the way this was orchestrated then I would not feel any different about not buying a government motors vehicle. Big difference between loaning and buying. Also, Bush did not close a bunch of dealerships based on ownership's race, sex and which political party or candidate was given donations. That is all starting to come out by the way. |
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boomerjake
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 10:09am |
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Originally posted by dockbumper5 Originally posted by OKdiver
Originally posted by dockbumper5
Originally posted by boomerjake Here we go again......Let's see what comes out by the way(on all this race/sex/political party fodder). Who can say Bush would not have done EXACTLY what Obama did, if his term hadn't expired. I certainly can't say he would or would not have. The bailout of GM and Chrysler had already started when Obama took office. Just deal with it.It’s not partisan. If George Bush would have been for the bailout the way this was orchestrated then I would not feel any different about not buying a government motors vehicle. Big difference between loaning and buying. Also, Bush did not close a bunch of dealerships based on ownership's race, sex and which political party or candidate was given donations. That is all starting to come out by the way. Who cares when it started? Deal with that! Edited by boomerjake - 28 July 2010 at 10:10am |
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 10:10am |
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Originally posted by boomerjake
Originally posted by dockbumper5 That is good advice. Just buy what you want. Buy the best vehicle that fits your need.
Originally posted by boomerjake
It’s not partisan. If George Bush would have been for the bailout the way this was orchestrated then I would not feel any different about not buying a government motors vehicle. That proves my point then that it's not partisan. Of course he didn’t bypass their bondholders by thuggishly strong arming them. Nevertheless, you buy whatever you want to buy, and a lot of us who believe in the free market will buy whatever we want. |
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 10:11am |
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Originally posted by boomerjake Originally posted by dockbumper5
Originally posted by OKdiver OK, who cares who continued it? Deal with that!
Originally posted by dockbumper5
Originally posted by boomerjake Here we go again......Let's see what comes out by the way(on all this race/sex/political party fodder). Who can say Bush would not have done EXACTLY what Obama did, if his term hadn't expired. I certainly can't say he would or would not have. The bailout of GM and Chrysler had already started when Obama took office. Just deal with it.It’s not partisan. If George Bush would have been for the bailout the way this was orchestrated then I would not feel any different about not buying a government motors vehicle. Big difference between loaning and buying. Also, Bush did not close a bunch of dealerships based on ownership's race, sex and which political party or candidate was given donations. That is all starting to come out by the way. Who cares when it started? Deal with that! |
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 10:13am |
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41000 for an electric car. Hmmm how are poor people gonna afford that. Hmmm free electric cars for everyone! |
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 10:21am |
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How much fossil fuel required to build the vehicle? How many people can plan a vacation around the recharges (if they can find them)?
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 10:22am |
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Originally posted by da_greek_poke Not too long ago I was saying, "5 dollar gasoline, how am I going to afford that?"......
41000 for an electric car. Hmmm how are poor people gonna afford that. Hmmm free electric cars for everyone! |
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boomerjake
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 10:22am |
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Originally posted by dockbumper5 Originally posted by boomerjake
Originally posted by dockbumper5
Originally posted by OKdiver OK, who cares who continued it? Deal with that!Originally posted by dockbumper5
Originally posted by boomerjake Here we go again......Let's see what comes out by the way(on all this race/sex/political party fodder). Who can say Bush would not have done EXACTLY what Obama did, if his term hadn't expired. I certainly can't say he would or would not have. The bailout of GM and Chrysler had already started when Obama took office. Just deal with it.It’s not partisan. If George Bush would have been for the bailout the way this was orchestrated then I would not feel any different about not buying a government motors vehicle. Big difference between loaning and buying. Also, Bush did not close a bunch of dealerships based on ownership's race, sex and which political party or candidate was given donations. That is all starting to come out by the way. Who cares when it started? Deal with that! Apparently you care who started it. Don’t pull one of your dense acts! You’re the one who suggested that anyone against buying a government motors vehicle is only doing so for partisan reasons. It’s already been stated on this forum that no one cares who started it, or when it was started. So that just doesn’t fly. |
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 10:25am |
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Originally posted by Annie The volt has its own generator that runs off gasoline. Just like a regular car, just fill up the generator tank and keep on going.....
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