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NickZepp
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 9:43am |
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Seems to me that this is increasing the one's carbon footprint. You are using both gas and coal to power this thing and you are refueling it more often than some other vehicles.
I think if we want to go away from fuel best alternatives are Nuclear which won't happen because the left decided 40 years ago that Nuclear fuel was bad and decided to basically end our nuclear power industry back then. And battery power which is decades(at best) away from being viable. We'll be stuck on fossil fuels for a long time, even if we move to some sort of electric power. |
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 9:45am |
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Originally posted by Annie ???Why would that matter at all? When/if one has a tax refund coming, one has to wait.......
Originally posted by boomerjake Bill, I don't know the exact amount, but supposedly you can get a tax credit around 7 or 8k for the Volt. But I do agree with you on practicality. Also, not figured in on your price difference is the electricity it takes to recharge the battery. Tax credit may not apply to all and one has to wait to collect. It is not truly like money off the price of the car. |
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chicagoillini
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 9:46am |
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Originally posted by dockbumper5
Originally posted by Annie ???Why would that matter at all? When/if one has a tax refund coming, one has to wait.......Originally posted by boomerjake Bill, I don't know the exact amount, but supposedly you can get a tax credit around 7 or 8k for the Volt. But I do agree with you on practicality. Also, not figured in on your price difference is the electricity it takes to recharge the battery. Tax credit may not apply to all and one has to wait to collect. It is not truly like money off the price of the car. Time Value of Money???
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 9:49am |
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Originally posted by OKdiver
Originally posted by dockbumper5 ????I currently have two vehicles in my garage/driveway........When my wife's car needs replacing, I can easily see me purchasing a hybrid/diesel/electric to replace it. Why does that sound like all talk to you?
Well, I don't know if the price is that out of range these days. A pickup/suv can run above 50 grand. A luxury car can do the same. If the Volt is as good as they say it is, I would certainly buy one on my next purchase. Dock I would be willing to bet there will never be a Chevy Volt sitting in your driveway.
Dock your all talk.
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 9:51am |
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Originally posted by chicagoillini
Originally posted by dockbumper5 I guess.......all I know, is if the govt owes me a refund or a tax credit, I have always got it....
Originally posted by Annie
Originally posted by boomerjake ???Why would that matter at all? When/if one has a tax refund coming, one has to wait.......Bill, I don't know the exact amount, but supposedly you can get a tax credit around 7 or 8k for the Volt. But I do agree with you on practicality. Also, not figured in on your price difference is the electricity it takes to recharge the battery. Tax credit may not apply to all and one has to wait to collect. It is not truly like money off the price of the car. Time Value of Money??? |
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chicagoillini
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 9:57am |
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Originally posted by dockbumper5 Originally posted by chicagoillini
Originally posted by dockbumper5
Originally posted by Annie I guess.......all I know, is if the govt owes me a refund or a tax credit, I have always got it....Originally posted by boomerjake
Bill, I don't know the exact amount, but supposedly you can get a tax credit around 7 or 8k for the Volt. But I do agree with you on practicality. Also, not figured in on your price difference is the electricity it takes to recharge the battery. Tax credit may not apply to all and one has to wait to collect. It is not truly like money off the price of the car. ???Why would that matter at all? When/if one has a tax refund coming, one has to wait....... Time Value of Money??? Right, but you don't get it...plus the interest you would have accrued over that period.
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Annie
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 9:59am |
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Originally posted by dockbumper5 Originally posted by Annie ???Why would that matter at all? When/if one has a tax refund coming, one has to wait.......Originally posted by boomerjake Bill, I don't know the exact amount, but supposedly you can get a tax credit around 7 or 8k for the Volt. But I do agree with you on practicality. Also, not figured in on your price difference is the electricity it takes to recharge the battery. Tax credit may not apply to all and one has to wait to collect. It is not truly like money off the price of the car. First, not all people may have the income on income tax that allows them to take tax credits. Second, why should a person have to wait for the tax man? If one is foolish and allows the government to use their money, that is their business. Savvy people leave as little with the government as possible. |
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 10:00am |
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Originally posted by chicagoillini Originally posted by dockbumper5 Originally posted by chicagoillini
Originally posted by dockbumper5 I get it. I understand the time value of money. Originally posted by Annie
Originally posted by boomerjake I guess.......all I know, is if the govt owes me a refund or a tax credit, I have always got it....Bill, I don't know the exact amount, but supposedly you can get a tax credit around 7 or 8k for the Volt. But I do agree with you on practicality. Also, not figured in on your price difference is the electricity it takes to recharge the battery. Tax credit may not apply to all and one has to wait to collect. It is not truly like money off the price of the car. ???Why would that matter at all? When/if one has a tax refund coming, one has to wait....... Time Value of Money??? Right, but you don't get it...plus the interest you would have accrued over that period. Edited by dockbumper5 - 29 July 2010 at 10:01am |
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chicagoillini
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 10:02am |
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Originally posted by dockbumper5 Originally posted by chicagoillini Originally posted by dockbumper5
Originally posted by chicagoillini
Originally posted by dockbumper5 I get it. I understand the time value of money.Originally posted by Annie
Originally posted by boomerjake I guess.......all I know, is if the govt owes me a refund or a tax credit, I have always got it....Bill, I don't know the exact amount, but supposedly you can get a tax credit around 7 or 8k for the Volt. But I do agree with you on practicality. Also, not figured in on your price difference is the electricity it takes to recharge the battery. Tax credit may not apply to all and one has to wait to collect. It is not truly like money off the price of the car. ???Why would that matter at all? When/if one has a tax refund coming, one has to wait....... Time Value of Money??? Right, but you don't get it...plus the interest you would have accrued over that period. I get it too. I understand that if the govt owes me a refund or a tax credit, I've always got it.
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chicagoillini
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Actually, the most savvy way to handle taxes would be to pay none of what you owe until 4/14. But that would be a hard check to write.
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 10:03am |
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Originally posted by Annie I wrote when/if......
Originally posted by dockbumper5 Originally posted by Annie ???Why would that matter at all? When/if one has a tax refund coming, one has to wait.......Originally posted by boomerjake Bill, I don't know the exact amount, but supposedly you can get a tax credit around 7 or 8k for the Volt. But I do agree with you on practicality. Also, not figured in on your price difference is the electricity it takes to recharge the battery. Tax credit may not apply to all and one has to wait to collect. It is not truly like money off the price of the car. First, not all people may have the income on income tax that allows them to take tax credits. Second, why should a person have to wait for the tax man? If one is foolish and allows the government to use their money, that is their business. Savvy people leave as little with the government as possible. |
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PLOWBOY
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 10:10am |
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The only reason gas would get to 5 or 10 dollars per gallon is if the government caused it. Good bye to economic recovery. The electric car is a joke for 99% of the population. Not enough range, too expensive, not effective for what it's true purpose is which is to cut back on the use of fossil fuels, especially when most of electricity is generated through coal, natural gas, or nuclear and isn't likely to change any time soon. If the government would get out of the way and let the free market work, all this would eventually work its way out. When oil gets scarce enough, it will get so expensive that other energy sources will become feasible. This is more of the government trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
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If I'm getting up at 4:00, it better be deer season.
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PLOWBOY
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 10:12am |
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If the government has to subsidize it, by definition it doesn't work. Bad for the consumer and the taxpayer.
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If I'm getting up at 4:00, it better be deer season.
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Annie
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 10:18am |
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Originally posted by dockbumper5 Originally posted by Annie I wrote when/if......Originally posted by dockbumper5 Originally posted by Annie ???Why would that matter at all? When/if one has a tax refund coming, one has to wait.......Originally posted by boomerjake Bill, I don't know the exact amount, but supposedly you can get a tax credit around 7 or 8k for the Volt. But I do agree with you on practicality. Also, not figured in on your price difference is the electricity it takes to recharge the battery. Tax credit may not apply to all and one has to wait to collect. It is not truly like money off the price of the car. First, not all people may have the income on income tax that allows them to take tax credits. Second, why should a person have to wait for the tax man? If one is foolish and allows the government to use their money, that is their business. Savvy people leave as little with the government as possible. And I answered why it is not necessarily that great of an incentive. What does it end up being -- monetarily? |
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 10:32am |
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Originally posted by PLOWBOY What did Bush and the Republicans do that caused gas to rise to 5 bucks a gallon?
The only reason gas would get to 5 or 10 dollars per gallon is if the government caused it. Good bye to economic recovery. The electric car is a joke for 99% of the population. Not enough range, too expensive, not effective for what it's true purpose is which is to cut back on the use of fossil fuels, especially when most of electricity is generated through coal, natural gas, or nuclear and isn't likely to change any time soon. If the government would get out of the way and let the free market work, all this would eventually work its way out. When oil gets scarce enough, it will get so expensive that other energy sources will become feasible. This is more of the government trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. |
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 10:35am |
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Originally posted by Annie What does it end up being monetarily?? Are you speaking of the tax credit on electric cars?
Originally posted by dockbumper5 Originally posted by Annie I wrote when/if......Originally posted by dockbumper5 Originally posted by Annie ???Why would that matter at all? When/if one has a tax refund coming, one has to wait.......Originally posted by boomerjake Bill, I don't know the exact amount, but supposedly you can get a tax credit around 7 or 8k for the Volt. But I do agree with you on practicality. Also, not figured in on your price difference is the electricity it takes to recharge the battery. Tax credit may not apply to all and one has to wait to collect. It is not truly like money off the price of the car. First, not all people may have the income on income tax that allows them to take tax credits. Second, why should a person have to wait for the tax man? If one is foolish and allows the government to use their money, that is their business. Savvy people leave as little with the government as possible. And I answered why it is not necessarily that great of an incentive. What does it end up being -- monetarily? |
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OKdiver
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 1:34pm |
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Originally posted by dockbumper5
Originally posted by PLOWBOY What did Bush and the Republicans do that caused gas to rise to 5 bucks a gallon?The only reason gas would get to 5 or 10 dollars per gallon is if the government caused it. Good bye to economic recovery. The electric car is a joke for 99% of the population. Not enough range, too expensive, not effective for what it's true purpose is which is to cut back on the use of fossil fuels, especially when most of electricity is generated through coal, natural gas, or nuclear and isn't likely to change any time soon. If the government would get out of the way and let the free market work, all this would eventually work its way out. When oil gets scarce enough, it will get so expensive that other energy sources will become feasible. This is more of the government trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. The DemoRats took over Congress in 2006. That is when Oil and Gas really started to rise. FYI
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PLOWBOY
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 4:19pm |
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Bush and the republicans didn't do anything to cause it. Bad energy policy driven by environmental nut jobs helped create a short term shortage. But to tell you the truth, gasoline never reached $5 anyway by itself. The added taxes put on by the GOVERNMENT made it go above $5 where it did. I never paid that much for gas anyway.
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 6:42pm |
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Originally posted by OKdiver
Originally posted by dockbumper5 You are correct. My bad. When prices went through the roof in 2008, Dems in Congress were as much to blame as Bush/Cheney.
Originally posted by PLOWBOY
The only reason gas would get to 5 or 10 dollars per gallon is if the government caused it. Good bye to economic recovery. The electric car is a joke for 99% of the population. Not enough range, too expensive, not effective for what it's true purpose is which is to cut back on the use of fossil fuels, especially when most of electricity is generated through coal, natural gas, or nuclear and isn't likely to change any time soon. If the government would get out of the way and let the free market work, all this would eventually work its way out. When oil gets scarce enough, it will get so expensive that other energy sources will become feasible. This is more of the government trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. What did Bush and the Republicans do that caused gas to rise to 5 bucks a gallon? The DemoRats took over Congress in 2006. That is when Oil and Gas really started to rise. FYI |
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dockbumper5
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 6:45pm |
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Originally posted by PLOWBOY Well, the Federal gas tax is around 18 cents a gallon. When oil price went up to @147 dollars a barrel, and gas was 5 bucks a gallon, it is hard to blame it on the fed gas tax......But I can agree with you, I don't think Bush or the Republicans(or the Democrats)caused it. For more than 30 years, they have done nothing to prevent it(energy independence).
Bush and the republicans didn't do anything to cause it. Bad energy policy driven by environmental nut jobs helped create a short term shortage. But to tell you the truth, gasoline never reached $5 anyway by itself. The added taxes put on by the GOVERNMENT made it go above $5 where it did. I never paid that much for gas anyway. |
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