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boomerjake
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   Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:18am |
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Originally posted by D. Mikels
Originally posted by Fishfan
I usually don't base my voting decisions on the impressions of a message board poster's fond memories of 3 year old pillow talk. If you think she's great and want to continue with your Jeri Askins capaign advisor impersonation you need to give us something. The only issue I saw her address in a tv ad was that critical, burning issue of equal pay. LOL First of all, it's Jari, not Jeri. She's a reform candidate, and I agree with the steps she wishes to take to reform state government. Now, you can do this, I suspect you do have opposable thumbs, so click on this, then go to the tab marked "Issues" and then read (or at least try to) her positions and watch some of her video clips. I shouldn't have to do all the work for you.
Oh, and while you're at it, give me a valid reason to vote for Fallin. . .other than she has an R next to her name.
 I can't! But I'll end up voting for her. |
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chicagoillini
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:18am |
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Originally posted by D. Mikels
Originally posted by chicagoillini
Originally posted by D. Mikels
Originally posted by soonergirl
I'll admit that I know basically nothing about either of these ladies...but the libs and fence sitters seem to hate Fallin with the same passion they hate Palin, so I believe I'll vote for her based on that alone. If they hate her then I'll probably like her. Spend 5 minutes talking with her and after that period you still want to vote for her you can knock me over with a feather. She's robo-pol, not Palin by a damn sight.
 Mikel, it sounds like you know a lot about her. So can you clue us in as to her beliefs on some of the larger issues of the day re: Obamacare, Bailouts, the AZ Immigration Law and how she feels about the govt trying to block it. When I had lunch with her in 2007 (or 2008, can't remember) Obamacare and AZ Immigration and bailouts, et al, were not on the national radar. What she talked about was breaking up the good ol' boy network at the Capitol--something I've been hoping for for decades. Anyways, how are the above national issues germane to reforming Oklahoma's government and solving its budget crisis?
Isn't it time to elect the candidate most qualified to clean up the current mess in OKC?You don't think policy done at the Federal level can affect States? Why have several states sued to block Obamacare if it does not?
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D. Mikels
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:23am |
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<<Too many tax dollars are wasted because too little attention is paid to details of the state budget.
Too much opportunity for progress is lost in the pursuit of partisan advantage. Make no mistake. I am a Democrat and my first step on this long journey is to win the Democratic nomination for governor but I fully understand that, if we are to “rise up to be best” we now more than ever, must set partisan politics aside.>> While I don't agree with the Brad Henry accolade I agree with all of the above. I'm sick of partisan politics--escpecially social conservative legislation coming out of OKC that inevitably gets struck down by the courts, with nobody addressing the bloated state agencies and waste and corruption.  |
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Bronco
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:25am |
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Originally posted by dockbumper5 that is open to scrutiny also. It could be extremely hypocritical of her. Notice I use the word 'could be'. Do public officials qualify for forgiveness?Originally posted by Bronco Ok, I guess the question that needs answering is do you also worry about Fallin being a fraud? She brings up faith in her adds, and it is well known that she had some personal/marriage/romps in the hay with a trooper episodes.....Originally posted by dockbumper5 That was Langford. I was at the capital a few days before National Prayer day. The bus called "Prayer Force One" was there and that is when I met him. Very religous and serious I might ad, but he didn't end his ads with "God Bless you"...Originally posted by Bronco And Fallin has the faith, family, freedom thing. I notice alot of candidates tout their Christian beliefs. I recall one add boasting of his(don't recall his name)work at Fall's Creek as opposed to being a life long politician...This is gonna sound strange coming from me, but the one thing about Askins that I would like to know...is she a dedicated and die-hard Christian? the reason I ask this is because on all her campaign ads that I saw, she ended them with "God Bless you" What strikes me funny about this is that 1)very seldom do you ever see that, and 2) if she is not a die-hard Christian who doesn't constantly profess her faith during the course of her business and private life, that statement, to me, could be construed as being political and not genuine, which if that were right, exposes her as a fraud. Now, I hope I'm wrong about this, does anybody know? I think that there is a difference between something that is done in the past and something that is a continuation of hypocracy currently. For example, John Edwards would have continued hiding his relationships vs, Newt Gingrich who probably has settled his past indescretions both publicly and privately. I don't think the two cases should be judged by the same criteria. This same litmus test could also apply to Askins and Fallin. If Askins is exagerating her faith for political purposes, that is far more important to me than indescretions done by Fallin years ago when she has had to publicly and privately deal with those issues... |
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chicagoillini
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:28am |
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All due respect Mikel, I think one of Steve Largeant's biggest issues was to consolidate School Districts to lower all the administrative costs and was well in the lead late in the election.
Henry, to which Jari is a staunch supporter...Lt Gov... decided to go against that and essentially get elected via pandering to the Indian Population. To say Jari is pure as the wind driven snow is a long-shot in my view.
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D. Mikels
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:28am |
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Originally posted by chicagoillini
Originally posted by D. Mikels
Originally posted by chicagoillini
Originally posted by D. Mikels
Originally posted by soonergirl
I'll admit that I know basically nothing about either of these ladies...but the libs and fence sitters seem to hate Fallin with the same passion they hate Palin, so I believe I'll vote for her based on that alone. If they hate her then I'll probably like her. Spend 5 minutes talking with her and after that period you still want to vote for her you can knock me over with a feather. She's robo-pol, not Palin by a damn sight.
Mikel, it sounds like you know a lot about her. So can you clue us in as to her beliefs on some of the larger issues of the day re: Obamacare, Bailouts, the AZ Immigration Law and how she feels about the govt trying to block it. When I had lunch with her in 2007 (or 2008, can't remember) Obamacare and AZ Immigration and bailouts, et al, were not on the national radar. What she talked about was breaking up the good ol' boy network at the Capitol--something I've been hoping for for decades. Anyways, how are the above national issues germane to reforming Oklahoma's government and solving its budget crisis?
Isn't it time to elect the candidate most qualified to clean up the current mess in OKC?You don't think policy done at the Federal level can affect States? Why have several states sued to block Obamacare if it does not? Of course I do. But I'm not going to prioritize voting for governor because one candidate will sue DC and one won't. If you truly want to stop Obama for the last half of his (hopefully single) term then you'd best focus on sending people to Washington who will oppose him.
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boomerjake
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:30am |
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Originally posted by D. Mikels
<<Too many tax dollars are wasted because too little attention is paid to details of the state budget.
Too much opportunity for progress is lost in the pursuit of partisan advantage. Make no mistake. I am a Democrat and my first step on this long journey is to win the Democratic nomination for governor but I fully understand that, if we are to “rise up to be best” we now more than ever, must set partisan politics aside.>> While I don't agree with the Brad Henry accolade I agree with all of the above. I'm sick of partisan politics--escpecially social conservative legislation coming out of OKC that inevitably gets struck down by the courts, with nobody addressing the bloated state agencies and waste and corruption. D Mikels, which part of partisanship can you set aside and agree to the Obama agenda? I wish we could all set and sing Kum ba ya, but it’s just not reality. |
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dockbumper5
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:31am |
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Originally posted by chicagoillini ????Did Mikels ever say anything close to that about Askins?? Of course not.........
All due respect Mikel, I think one of Steve Largeant's biggest issues was to consolidate School Districts to lower all the administrative costs and was well in the lead late in the election. Henry, to which Jari is a staunch supporter...Lt Gov... decided to go against that and essentially get elected via pandering to the Indian Population. To say Jari is pure as the wind driven snow is a long-shot in my view. |
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D. Mikels
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:33am |
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Originally posted by chicagoillini
All due respect Mikel, I think one of Steve Largeant's biggest issues was to consolidate School Districts to lower all the administrative costs and was well in the lead late in the election. Henry, to which Jari is a staunch supporter...Lt Gov... decided to go against that and essentially get elected via pandering to the Indian Population. To say Jari is pure as the wind driven snow is a long-shot in my view. Hell, none of them are pure, and I disagree with Askins' anti-consolidation stance, but I definitely feel she's a lot more likely to actually reform state government than a figure head like Fallin. You think Brad Henry was an invisible guv wait til Fallin gets in there!
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D. Mikels
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:37am |
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Originally posted by boomerjake
Originally posted by D. Mikels
<<Too many tax dollars are wasted because too little attention is paid to details of the state budget.
Too much opportunity for progress is lost in the pursuit of partisan advantage. Make no mistake. I am a Democrat and my first step on this long journey is to win the Democratic nomination for governor but I fully understand that, if we are to “rise up to be best” we now more than ever, must set partisan politics aside.>> While I don't agree with the Brad Henry accolade I agree with all of the above. I'm sick of partisan politics--escpecially social conservative legislation coming out of OKC that inevitably gets struck down by the courts, with nobody addressing the bloated state agencies and waste and corruption. D Mikels, which part of partisanship can you set aside and agree to the Obama agenda? I wish we could all set and sing Kum ba ya, but it’s just not reality. Hell, that's easy. I wish both Dems and Reps had set partisanship aside when they (tried) to tackle health care and the stimulus and financial reform. Some true reforms and great ideas were left on the table because of Democratic partisanship in Washington. Here, nothing meaningful can get passed out of the state legislature because of Republican partisan politics; all you get are meaningless statutes about abortion counseling and other social issues that are DOA when they go before a judge.
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chicagoillini
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:43am |
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Originally posted by dockbumper5
Originally posted by chicagoillini ????Did Mikels ever say anything close to that about Askins?? Of course not.........All due respect Mikel, I think one of Steve Largeant's biggest issues was to consolidate School Districts to lower all the administrative costs and was well in the lead late in the election. Henry, to which Jari is a staunch supporter...Lt Gov... decided to go against that and essentially get elected via pandering to the Indian Population. To say Jari is pure as the wind driven snow is a long-shot in my view. had the pleasure of having lunch a few years back with Askins
One of them will look you in the eye when she answers your question
one of them is not pretentious or one-dimensional or superficial, but is genuine and sincere. One of them very much cares about Oklahoma and the issues facing this state and puts the interests of Oklahomans above her own. One of them will refuse to pander and cowtow to fundamentalism and zealotry and non sequiter issues that play to emotion rather than reason.
I didn't use quotes, did I......Of Course Not.
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Fishfan
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:43am |
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Originally posted by D. Mikels
Now, you can do this, I suspect you do have opposable thumbs, so click on this, then go to the tab marked "Issues" and then read (or at least try to) her positions and watch some of her video clips. I shouldn't have to do all the work for you. Well God help you if you actually did what you suggested. There isn't a single issue discussed. There is however a ginormous DONATE button and lots of video endorsements including Switzer & Roy Williams. Maybe pull *your* opposable thumbs out of your mouth and/or ass and try again. link |
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D. Mikels
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:45am |
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Well, chi, keep looking for my saying "pure as the wind driven snow".
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dockbumper5
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:46am |
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Originally posted by chicagoillini Good thing you didn't use quotes...... you can't equate being sincere and genuine to pure as the wind driven snow......
Originally posted by dockbumper5
Originally posted by chicagoillini ????Did Mikels ever say anything close to that about Askins?? Of course not.........All due respect Mikel, I think one of Steve Largeant's biggest issues was to consolidate School Districts to lower all the administrative costs and was well in the lead late in the election. Henry, to which Jari is a staunch supporter...Lt Gov... decided to go against that and essentially get elected via pandering to the Indian Population. To say Jari is pure as the wind driven snow is a long-shot in my view. had the pleasure of having lunch a few years back with Askins
One of them will look you in the eye when she answers your question
one of them is not pretentious or one-dimensional or superficial, but is genuine and sincere. One of them very much cares about Oklahoma and the issues facing this state and puts the interests of Oklahomans above her own. One of them will refuse to pander and cowtow to fundamentalism and zealotry and non sequiter issues that play to emotion rather than reason.
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D. Mikels
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:53am |
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Originally posted by Fishfan
Originally posted by D. Mikels Now, you can do this, I suspect you do have opposable thumbs, so click on this, then go to the tab marked "Issues" and then read (or at least try to) her positions and watch some of her video clips. I shouldn't have to do all the work for you. Well God help you if you actually did what you suggested. There isn't a single issue discussed. There is however a ginormous DONATE button and lots of video endorsements including Switzer & Roy Williams. Maybe pull *your* opposable thumbs out of your mouth and/or ass and try again. link You really are a piece of. . . .work.
 The Issues tab takes you to the Endorsements page, where on that page are a myriad of tabs, from Education to Children to Budget to Military, etc., where you can click and read and watch 'til your reactionary/goose-stepping content. The try again mantra is appropros indeed. . .
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dockbumper5
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:54am |
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This is how I see it.......We have Mary Fallin, kinda of a Gretchen Wilson/redneck girl/here for the party/boys say I clean up good woman who seems likeable......On the other hand, we have Jari Askins, kinda of an Aunt Bee from Mayberry/apple pie baking/hit you with a rolling pin if needed/grandmother who also seems loveable and caring......
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D. Mikels
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:56am |
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Fishfan
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:56am |
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God your'e dense today. It's nothing but endorsements.
You obviously know what "positions" Jari likes but are just too shy to say. 
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I question whether any of you really know what your talking about Idioms Dictionary - Search multiple engines for idioms dictionary www.webcrawler.com Morally unsullied, chaste, as in She's just sixteen and pure as the driven snow. This simile dates from the late 1500s, although driven, which means “carried by the wind into drifts,” was occasionally omitted. It is heard less often today. |
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D. Mikels
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 12:01pm |
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Originally posted by Fishfan
God your'e dense today. It's nothing but endorsements. You obviously know what "positions" Jari likes but are just too shy to say. |
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