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Annie
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![]() Topic: Is ladies night gender discrimination?Posted: 29 July 2010 at 2:50pm |
Will gender discrimination rules put an end to ladies' night at bars?You'd be forgiven for thinking this was an Onion story, but it seems the state of Minnesota has declared last call for ladies' night. The Minnesota Department of Human Rights issued a statement declaring ladies'-night promotions -- wherein female customers are offered discounted or free drinks in exchange for gracing a bar with their presence -- unfairly discriminate by gender and are in violation of the state's human rights act. Five bars in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area are being investigated for hosting ladies' nights. (The detective work may have consisted of, I don't know, going into bars that have advertisements for them.) The department says it won't seek out violators in the future but will respond to specific complaints, like if a guy decides he doesn't like paying full price for a cosmo and calls his lawyer. Robert P. Murphy, writing in the area's major daily paper, the Star Tribune, disagrees with the decision on the grounds that a ladies' night is a type of targeted discrimination that happens commonly and profitably.
Since grocery store customers can choose whether or not to use a coupon more easily than bar patrons can choose to be the gender on the receiving end of a discount, that particular argument isn't convincing. But the writer's point about the common practice of price discrimination, its benefit to businesses and customers and the shaky line drawn by the ladies' night ban, is more persuasive. Businesses discriminate against patrons all the time for things they can't help. When you pay more to have a blouse dry-cleaned than a man's shirt, you are discriminated against for having the buttons on the wrong side. When you pay full price for a movie, you are being discriminated against for failing to hang on to a student ID years after graduating or flunking, as the case may be. Whenever you don't receive a senior-citizens' discount at Burger King, you are discriminated against for not reaching old age despite a diet that includes Burger King. The writer goes on:
As a drinker, I have thought about this and decided I don't care, since I don't live in Minnesota and tend to avoid bars that can't attract women on their own merits, but there is economic logic to what the writer is saying. Anyway, is a loosely enforced ban on ladies' nights a minor legal curiosity or a serious infringement on the rights of businesses? I wonder what the blogosphere thinks. On a site called the Intellectual Conservative, Gary Larson (probably not the guy who created The Far Side, sadly) writes:
Setting aside the amusingly old-fashioned tone there, are you telling me that if a guy buys a drink at ladies' night and says it's for a woman, he only pays half price? What have I been doing all these years? Anyway, it turns out there's a long history of litigation on the subject. None of the cases have really brought an end to America as we know it, but then again, they have generally predated the Internet, Glenn Beck's chalkboard, etc. The same things is happening right now in Florida and has occurred in several other states. As outrages go, ladies' nights aren't exactly Plessy v. Ferguson, nor is their hypothetical ban any great victory for equality. If bar owners feel stung, they could do something truly progressive and start a real conversation -- charge women 77 percent of what they charge men, since that's what women are still paid on average. http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/07/is_this_the_end_of_ladies_nigh.html |
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reverend
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 2:54pm |
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to answer the topic question, the answer is no
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Fishfan
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 3:07pm |
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Minnesota.
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SoonerC
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 3:12pm |
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Some people just have too much time on their hands.
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NickZepp
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 3:16pm |
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I would understand if this was trying to hurt women in some way. I don't see how this really does that.
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It's not lupus.
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OKdiver
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Joined: 20 January 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1871 |
![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 3:50pm |
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Senior discounts, child discounts, military discounts etc.... I have no problem with these nor do I have a problem with gender discounts.
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bill callahan
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 3:52pm |
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maybe the people in minnesota like sausage fests
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Bubba Jr
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 6:26pm |
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The same people that made Al Frankin a Senator. What more needs to be said...
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capmarine
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 7:06pm |
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all those discounts cover all genders.
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Shawnmusicmin
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 9:24pm |
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What about sexual preference discounts?
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The question remains, Do you believe Jesus Is Who He says He Is?
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I M GEORGE
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:26pm |
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this just hurts ugly women~~~'cause good lookin women dont pay for nothing noway
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hefner No. 42/41...got beat bad
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oucub23
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![]() Posted: 30 July 2010 at 12:48am |
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Originally posted by Bubba Jr
The same people that made Al Frankin a Senator. What more needs to be said... And Pawlenty governor. The state never voted for Reagan, yet has Bachman in Washington. At least Vermont is consistent, lol. Edited by oucub23 - 30 July 2010 at 12:49am |
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soonerhawg
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![]() Posted: 30 July 2010 at 10:56am |
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Originally posted by oucub23 Because they had a home state favorite son in Walter Mondale on the national ticket both elections.
Originally posted by Bubba Jr The same people that made Al Frankin a Senator. What more needs to be said... And Pawlenty governor. The state never voted for Reagan, yet has Bachman in Washington. At least Vermont is consistent, lol. |
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