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Quote Annie Replybullet Topic: Wind Energy Doesn't Work
    Posted: 18 March 2013 at 2:05pm
Some basic facts about wind energy
It doesn’t work

If only wind energy worked, it would be great. But it does not — at least not that well. What’s worse, most people do not know, especially the Green Energy True Believers. Those who do know, however, do not care.

They tell us wind is an ideal way to solve “global disruption” — which is what they are calling global warming this week. The only thing standing in the way of wind energy, they say, is the ignorance of the fossil-fuel crowd.

Let’s put aside for a moment all the talk about global warming: Whether it exists. Whether it is man-made. Whether wind turbines will slow it down.

Let’s even forget for a moment that the plunging price of natural gas and its increasing popularity as a substitute for coal has reduced carbon emissions to their lowest level in 20 years. It is threatening to make wind power even more financially obsolete.

When you set these facts aside, here is what remains: Wind turbines do not last as long as promised. They do not produce as much energy as hoped. Moreover, they require more maintenance than anyone imagined.

Wind energy turns out to be a lot like solar energy.

The Daily Mail recently reported that the University of Edinburgh found “for onshore wind, the monthly ‘load factor’ of turbines – a measure of how much electricity they generate as a percentage of how much they could produce if on at full power all the time - dropped from a high of 24 per cent in the first year after construction, to just 11 per cent after 15 years.”

That’s a 55 percent drop, for you dinosaurs who still think that is important — and that is just for turbines still working.

There’s a reason why so many wind projects got so much attention on the drawing board, but when it comes time to build them, they wither away. The offshore wind project in Delaware is a good example: One day it was hailed as the secret to the universe. The next day, it was gone. It disappeared down a black hole when people who actually had to pay for it and build it figured out what it actually was going to cost them.

It was the real numbers that scared them off. In America, these numbers are harder to come by — another red flag for investors — but as many as 1 in 4 wind turbines just does not work. Some do not even spin. Others spin, but do not generate electricity, so it is hard to tell by looking at them.

Hawaii provides the favorite example: The 37 turbines at the Kamaoa Wind Farm stood derelict for more than six years after it was discovered that repairs were more expensive than replacements. This is just one of six abandoned wind farms in one of the most wind-ideal places on the planet.

The Altamont Pass Wind Farm in Northern California used to be the largest wind farm on Earth. Now it is best known as the largest killer of eagles and other raptors. The turbines are shut down for four months a year to protect the birds during their migration. So much for that pro-forma. 

As many as 4,500 wind turbines have been built — and abandoned — in California alone. 

How long can that last? Ask that question of a True Believer at your own peril. They say  making money is no longer the point of being in business; saving the planet is.

Even Al Gore is getting out of alternative energy such as wind. Just check the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filings for his company, Generation Investment. Not a wind play in the portfolio. 

There may be one million reasons to invest in wind, or to install a windmill. Most involve bragging to your friends that you are saving the planet. But if you need the energy or the money, don’t — because right now, wind is still nothing more than a faith-based initiative.

Just ask Al


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Quote roy4pokes Replybullet Posted: 18 March 2013 at 4:04pm
Every turbine blade has to be transported on one truck with two escort vehicles. Three blades per turbine and that's alot of fossil fuel per turbine. Producing more greenhouse gases than the wind turbine itself eliminates.

Edited by roy4pokes - 18 March 2013 at 4:05pm
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Quote SoonerC Replybullet Posted: 18 March 2013 at 6:26pm
Not a huge secret, electric cars don't either.
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Quote PLOWBOY Replybullet Posted: 18 March 2013 at 10:06pm
They're going at it like gang busters all over, especially out west.  They are running a huge transmission line from the panhandle through here to Tennessee and one of the two possible routes will be through the mile section I live in.  I hope they take the other route.  Although it is a private company building the line, the Department of Energy is going to give their stamp of approval which will allow the company to use eminent domain.  Just another thing the government is shoving down our throats.  We'll all pay for it through government subsidies and higher power bills.
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Quote babyjesusisajet Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 5:04am
Not a huge secret at all, the electric light bulb doesn't work either.

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Quote babyjesusisajet Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 5:07am
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Every turbine blade has to be transported on one truck with two escort vehicles. Three blades per turbine and that's alot of fossil fuel per turbine. Producing more greenhouse gases than the wind turbine itself eliminates.
funny, but completely false.
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Quote The Dayman Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 7:58am
Originally posted by roy4pokes

Every turbine blade has to be transported on one truck with two escort vehicles. Three blades per turbine and that's alot of fossil fuel per turbine. Producing more greenhouse gases than the wind turbine itself eliminates.
 
If that's true, you'd think they would develop a process to manufacture the blades closer to the site of use.
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Quote roy4pokes Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 8:34am
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Originally posted by roy4pokes

Every turbine blade has to be transported on one truck with two escort vehicles. Three blades per turbine and that's alot of fossil fuel per turbine. Producing more greenhouse gases than the wind turbine itself eliminates.
funny, but completely false.


Really? I lived in Stillwater and worked in Oklahoma City from 1996 until last fall. I saw semis with special trailers hauling those blades northbound along I-35 several times a month for years. Each truck has an escort vehicle leading and one following the truck. Not talking small, fuel efficient escort vehicles. More often than not, the escort vehicles were pickups and SUVs. There is a manufacturing plant in Gainesville. I am certain those blades were being shipped south along I-35 and east-west along I-40, also. You are full of crap, babyj.

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Quote babyjesusisajet Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 12:10pm
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Originally posted by babyjesusisajet

Originally posted by roy4pokes

Every turbine blade has to be transported on one truck with two escort vehicles. Three blades per turbine and that's alot of fossil fuel per turbine. Producing more greenhouse gases than the wind turbine itself eliminates.
funny, but completely false.


Really? I lived in Stillwater and worked in Oklahoma City from 1996 until last fall. I saw semis with special trailers hauling those blades northbound along I-35 several times a month for years. Each truck has an escort vehicle leading and one following the truck. Not talking small, fuel efficient escort vehicles. More often than not, the escort vehicles were pickups and SUVs. There is a manufacturing plant in Gainesville. I am certain those blades were being shipped south along I-35 and east-west along I-40, also. You are full of crap, babyj.
You have the process down. But
you have no idea how much fuel that truck uses to deliver the blade. Or how much green house gas one turbine eliminates.

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Quote roy4pokes Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 12:51pm
One truck or all three vehicles? You really think the use of the turbine eliminates anything? The only way the turbine eliminates anything is if it replaces one or more processes that produce greenhouse gases. If fossil fuels are required to transport one blade, then the turbine doesn't really eliminate processes producing greenhouse gases, which is my point.
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Quote babyjesusisajet Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 12:58pm
Your point is funny, but false. Just tell me how much fuel that truck uses.
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Quote fasteddie Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 3:43pm
Originally posted by babyjesusisajet

Originally posted by roy4pokes

Originally posted by babyjesusisajet

Originally posted by roy4pokes

Every turbine blade has to be transported on one truck with two escort vehicles. Three blades per turbine and that's alot of fossil fuel per turbine. Producing more greenhouse gases than the wind turbine itself eliminates.
funny, but completely false.


Really? I lived in Stillwater and worked in Oklahoma City from 1996 until last fall. I saw semis with special trailers hauling those blades northbound along I-35 several times a month for years. Each truck has an escort vehicle leading and one following the truck. Not talking small, fuel efficient escort vehicles. More often than not, the escort vehicles were pickups and SUVs. There is a manufacturing plant in Gainesville. I am certain those blades were being shipped south along I-35 and east-west along I-40, also. You are full of crap, babyj.
You have the process down. But
you have no idea how much fuel that truck uses to deliver the blade. Or how much green house gas one turbine eliminates.
A semi gets around 6-8 miles a gallon.
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Quote Cro1 Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 4:28pm
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Originally posted by roy4pokes

Originally posted by babyjesusisajet

Originally posted by roy4pokes

Every turbine blade has to be transported on one truck with two escort vehicles. Three blades per turbine and that's alot of fossil fuel per turbine. Producing more greenhouse gases than the wind turbine itself eliminates.
funny, but completely false.


Really? I lived in Stillwater and worked in Oklahoma City from 1996 until last fall. I saw semis with special trailers hauling those blades northbound along I-35 several times a month for years. Each truck has an escort vehicle leading and one following the truck. Not talking small, fuel efficient escort vehicles. More often than not, the escort vehicles were pickups and SUVs. There is a manufacturing plant in Gainesville. I am certain those blades were being shipped south along I-35 and east-west along I-40, also. You are full of crap, babyj.
You have the process down. But
you have no idea how much fuel that truck uses to deliver the blade. Or how much green house gas one turbine eliminates.


why don't you enlighten everyone then
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Quote babyjesusisajet Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 4:59pm
6 to 8 mpg pulling an oversized load? Good guess, but 3.5 to 5.5 would be more realistic .
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Quote PLOWBOY Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 5:03pm
I've had pickups that didn't get 8.
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Quote fasteddie Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 5:07pm
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6 to 8 mpg pulling an oversized load? Good guess, but 3.5 to 5.5 would be more realistic .
The blades are not overweight they are too long which makes them oversized loads subject to special permitting and rules.  So I stand by my mpg estimates.

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Quote fasteddie Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 5:15pm
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I've had pickups that didn't get 8.
The newer Semi's can get upwards of 7 to 8 mpg on a consistent basis if they have someone driving them who is interested in getting top fuel economy.
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Quote babyjesusisajet Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 5:16pm
You do Know the length and size is not aerodynamic? Have you ever pulled an odd shaped load?
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Quote babyjesusisajet Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 5:23pm
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I've had pickups that didn't get 8.

The newer Semi's can get upwards of 7 to 8 mpg on a consistent basis if they have someone driving them who is interested in getting top fuel economy.
I know. I own a couple.
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Quote fasteddie Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2013 at 5:26pm
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You do Know the length and size is not aerodynamic? Have you ever pulled an odd shaped load?
Yes, on a regular basis. the blade is not loaded on a traditional trailer. And it is loaded Flange side to the truck, blade tip at the end so it takes advantage of the shape of the blade and the aerodynamic benefits it provides. So it produces less resistance than most trailers.
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